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[Bill]

The New York Times reports:

Congress can’t strip all Medicaid funds from states that refuse the expansion, as the ObamaCare law threatened.

So what will state legislators do now?

If they agree to expand their Medicaid programs anyway, they’ll be choosing to pile new costs on their state budgets and new taxes on their constituents.

Medicaid sucks up how much of our tax dollars in Chemung? 99%? Tripling that will do what exactly to our local economy?

[Herb]

I think this pretty much sums up where we are headed with this !

http://pjmedia.com/b...d-scott-moment/

In 1857 the U.S. Supreme Court issued a ruling that forever changed the course of human history. Infamously known as the Dred Scott decision, the Court ruled that states that outlawed slavery could not forbid slaveowners from bringing slaves into their states and holding them as slaves there. Chief Justice Roger B. Taney wrote that blacks were,

beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations, and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.

This was a shocking violation of the founding principle of our great republic, individual rights. Clearly, personal subjectivity and partisan politics motivated this ruling. And here we are again, courtesy of Chief Justice John Roberts.
Slavery persisted as a contentious issue our Founding Fathers battled only to acquiesce to the South’s demands when it became painfully clear that there would be no United States of America if they banished slavery. The thinking, of course, was that it would be determined at a future date. And it was. It was bloodily and brutally settled with the Civil War.
Judge Roberts’ decision will produce a comparably deleterious outcome. His unconstitutional decision on Obamacare mandates the slavery of the American people to the U.S. government, forcing us to make health care decisions in accord with government fiat. Further, the taxes will prove so prohibitive as to enslave the people and make all productive Americans wards of the federal government. “To be a socialist,” said Joseph Goebbels, “is to submit the I to the Thou. Socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole.” Is that not what Obama is doing?

“Socialism,” said Ayn Rand, “is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good.” Obamacare mandates exactly that: the productive exist for the aid of the non-productive, and all must change their behavior to conform with what the state prescribes as the good.
Roberts’ decision, like Taney’s, will not be without consequences. I fear that it will result in rage and the blind violence of a civil war. The American people cannot be cowed into resignation, submission, or passivity. As Ayn Rand said: “Defiance, not obedience, is the Americans’ answer to overbearing authority. The Nation that ran an Underground Railroad to help human beings escape from slavery, or began drinking on principle in the face of Prohibition, will not say ‘Yes, sir,’ to the enforcers” of socialized medicine. Not yet, anyway.
“It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices,” Roberts wrote. It is not his job to make that determination. It is his job to determine the Constitutionality of particular laws. The only good thing that can be taken away from the Dred Scott decision was that they ruled, for the very first time, that an act of Congress was unconstitutional — so a precedent had been set, even if it was a horrible decision. Obamacare undermines and nullifies states’ rights, much the way as Dred Scott.
Just as Chief Justice Taney had hoped to settle the issue of slavery with the Court’s decision, Chief Justice Roberts hoped for the same. But it will have the opposite effect. Abraham Lincoln, the second-ever Republican nominee for president, won in 1860, that key presidential election, on the platform of stopping the further expansion of slavery. We can expect history to repeat itself in 2012, if and only if Mitt Romney seizes this historic opportunity to restore the American principle of individual rights and unabashedly drive collectivism and statism into the grave, along with the hundreds of millions of victims of socialism and communism.

[Herb]

And this isn't helping much either ..... Damn, those fire crackers are starting to sound like a .40 calibre more and more as we get closer to November.....

http://twitchy.com/2...amming-america/

[Chuck]

i think anbyone who thinks Mitt Romney will restore any individual rights to the American people,probably believes in the tooth fairy and Santa claus .
If we want our rights back ,we have to take them back ourselves .

[Bill]

We are trying, through the ballot box, if that fails, then we investigate other avenues opent o us.

[Chris]

I'll give the ballot box a shot, its preferable to the alternative

[RAF2]

Soap box, ballot box, cartridge box...

[Chuck]

When you have to vote for guys on the same team ,the ballot box is a fool's bet .

[Bill]

It is what we got right at the moment. If we are proved that elections don't matter, then we have to go to the next option. Romney is still an option, a bad option, but an option.

Anything else would be ill considered. They have to be given the chance to be proven wrong.

[Chuck]

They will . i can be certain of that .The puppets may change ,the Master remains the same .

[Bill]

Could very well be, this election will tell the tale.

[RAF2]

Gotta sell my bubba's and make me an M-4...

[Chuck]

Could very well be, this election will tell the tale.

Don't get me wrong ,I would love to see a CIC that believed in restoreing personal liberty and actually respected the Constitution .
that won't happen in this election

[Bill]

It may not, in fact I am pretty sure it won't, but if it comes down the way I hope, it leaves the door open for another outcome next go round. If it doesn't come down that way, I am thinking the ballon has gone up and time is up.

I always will run away to be able to fight from a better position, I am also wiling to trade ground for time. And most of all if I can get away without having to fight, kill or die, I will try to.

[Chuck]

My patience is wearing thin .

[Bill]

Your patience only has to last until this election cycle. We may get to push things off, humans are great under pressure, they often do the right thing, even involuntarily. Better to gain another 4 years breathing room than be forced into something there is no coming back from. I have never gone wrong in trading ground for time. time is much more valuable. And useful.