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[MattfromHH]

Always is a big 'something'. Have you ever "always' been any way? I never have "always' have been. I don't think "always' fits into human behavior.

Some might consider the tactic of disputing a single word like "always" as misdirection.

When do people choose to misdirect a conversation?

[Jerry]

A single word can (and often does) change the meaning, direction, and/or tone of a sentence or conversation.

[finepoint]

Whatever happened to the days when you fought for your beliefs with your 1. brain or 2. fists? Using either of these at least you wake up the next day and live to see another day. These thugs are pathetic. To have complete disregard for human life is disgusting. Shootings are becoming all too common and it won't be long before an innocent bystander or child is struck by a stray bullet.I don't have a solution, but I am really getting sick of hearing of these types of crimes on a regular basis. The victims aren't willing to talk, the perpetrators know this, so it's basically "free shot" .

[Jerry]

Whatever happened to the days when you fought for your beliefs with your 1. brain or 2. fists? Using either of these at least you wake up the next day and live to see another day. These thugs are pathetic. To have complete disregard for human life is disgusting. Shootings are becoming all too common and it won't be long before an innocent bystander or child is struck by a stray bullet.I don't have a solution, but I am really getting sick of hearing of these types of crimes on a regular basis. The victims aren't willing to talk, the perpetrators know this, so it's basically "free shot" .

In a more perfect society, those thugs would only kill each other off or die while doing something stupid; unfortunately, such is not likely to happen.

[Movin'on]

Whatever happened to the days when you fought for your beliefs with your 1. brain or 2. fists? Using either of these at least you wake up the next day and live to see another day. These thugs are pathetic. To have complete disregard for human life is disgusting. Shootings are becoming all too common and it won't be long before an innocent bystander or child is struck by a stray bullet. I don't have a solution, but I am really getting sick of hearing of these types of crimes on a regular basis. The victims aren't willing to talk, the perpetrators know this, so it's basically "free shot" .

That already happened in Hawthorne Court a couple of years ago when a man was killed while sleeping in his bed. It's too bad we can't gather up all the thugs and let them just shoot the shit out of each other & be done with it.

The girl from this latest incident was the sister of the girl that was murdered in Hawthorne Court last year or so. That's kinda weird.

[Bill]

Some might consider the tactic of disputing a single word like "always" as misdirection.

When do people choose to misdirect a conversation?

Matt, I thought you knew me better than that. I am not trying to win here, I am trying to get to the truth of a matter, be it one message, one sentence or whatever. I wasn't misdirecting, I was trying to get you to hone your idea down so that it can be examined without ambiguity.

My Dad has told me, for the past 20 years, I take WAAAAAAAAY too long to get to the money shot of my argument. I am too busy trying to get to get the other person to see the argument from other positons I never make my own.

A personal failing. Mea Culpa.

[Chris]

hile sleeping in his bed. It's too bad we can't gather up all the thugs and let them just shoot the shit out of each other & be done with it.

The girl from this latest incident was the sister of the girl that was murdered in Hawthorne Court last year or so. That's kinda weird.

There's definitely more to the story than you're getting.

[Bill]

The girl from this latest incident was the sister of the girl that was murdered in Hawthorne Court last year or so. That's kinda weird.

I know the sarcasm smiley has been played, but I wanted to say, No, it's not. Hawthore court, is a gladiatorial arena today. Wasn't that way 20 years ago, but now it is. I am only surprised that this isn't a daily occurrence, with people killing each other over a look, or a remark.

People live down to their expectations, the people who live there have very low expectations of their surroundings.

[Movin'on]

There's definitely more to the story than you're getting.

I'm absolutely sure of that...however, I couldn't care less. I just read it quickly online and then moved along.

[Adam]

The dude was wanted for drugs? I know some would disagree but I would rather authorities be more concerned with getting the real bad guys off the street versus these gys. These guys are only harm to people who don't know better.. Versus a murderer and such.

tell that to the guy who was shot in his sleep by a stray bullet a few years ago....wait he's dead

[Herb]

So, I guess an (alleged at this time) shooting in Big Lot's parking lot (a route to Ernie Davis Middle School) at 7:18 a.m. on a School day poses absolutely no danger to the innocent passer by's on their way to School ? And Adam, you hit the nail squarely on the head. This isn't about the Drug War that seems to be in full bloom , it's about the high potential for someone's family member being shot just walking the streets .....

[MattfromHH]

Matt, I thought you knew me better than that. I am not trying to win here, I am trying to get to the truth of a matter, be it one message, one sentence or whatever. I wasn't misdirecting, I was trying to get you to hone your idea down so that it can be examined without ambiguity.

My Dad has told me, for the past 20 years, I take WAAAAAAAAY too long to get to the money shot of my argument. I am too busy trying to get to get the other person to see the argument from other positons I never make my own.

A personal failing. Mea Culpa.

No harm, no foul. Patience is a virtue, is an idea I have lectured myself on thousands of times and yet constantly need reminding of. I didn't think you were attempting to win, it appeared to me you were changing focus from whether or not your ascertion about girlyperks would also apply to members of EPD to who I guessed I would have to prove my ascertion to.

I interpeted your labeling of girlyperks as the LE enforcement tactic of establishing control in a conversation. The discussion had been about ratting and then moved to whether or not girlyperks was a quality citizen or not. It seemed to me, the idea was if you are against ratting you are riding coattails. Fair enough, but there is no dispute about whether or not members of EPD hide behind their blue wall and I don't see a difference between their blue wall and being anti-ratting.

The honed idea?
How about the criminal population will never take any interest in the preaching and labels that come from above as long as they can percieve a hypocrisy from the preachers.
I don't understand how one can have higher expectations for the "bad guys" than the ''good guys"?

[girlyperks]

Ever hear of a man named Michael Lee Nida? How about drug raids that end up at the wrong house, force their way into the home and kill one or more individuals and, opps, wrong house, wrong address and innocent people die? How many stray shot's fired by police end up striking and killing someone totally unconnected to whatever police were firing at? Innocent children and adults been have been killed by police as well. Has a stray shot ever killed another hunter? Killed someone in their kitchen by a stray shot the first day of hunting season? Accidental shootings happen. That thugs are shooting at one another and kill an innocent person, isn't much different than being shot because of mistaken identity by police for a crime the victim had no part in.

Its facts that sucks, but true enough.

Edited by girlyperks, 30 April 2012 - 08:51 AM.

[Herb]

Elmira, N.Y. - Elmira Police are investigating why one man was shot in the city early Monday morning.
A man was rolled out in a stretcher into an ambulance onStephens Avenue around 7:30 in the morning.
Police said the man is injured, but have not disclosed the extent of his condition.
Authorities said he was shot near the Big Lots on Lake Street, but once again they are not releasing any more details at this time.
Turn to WETM 18 News for the latest on this investigation

[Bill]

The honed idea?
How about the criminal population will never take any interest in the preaching and labels that come from above as long as they can percieve a hypocrisy from the preachers.
I don't understand how one can have higher expectations for the "bad guys" than the ''good guys"?

I think the trick is to understand that all people fill all roles at one time or another in their lives, no? The drug dealer is not a bad person his entire life, nor the LEO an angel theirs.

[Herb]

Ever hear of a man named Michael Lee Nida? How about drug raids that end up at the wrong house, force their way into the home and kill one or more individuals and, opps, wrong house, wrong address and innocent people die? How many stray shot's fired by police end up striking and killing someone totally unconnected to whatever police were firing at? Innocent children and adults been have been killed by police as well. Has a stray shot ever killed another hunter? Killed someone in their kitchen by a stray shot the first day of hunting season? Accidental shootings happen. That thugs are shooting at one another and kill an innocent person, isn't much different than being shot because of mistaken identity by police for a crime the victim had no part in.

Its facts that sucks, but true enough.

Officers tried to detain him, but he got away three times. During a short foot pursuit, an officer shot Nida, who later died at a local hospital. The officer who shot him claimed that Nida had turned toward him "in an aggressive manner," leading police to believe he had a weapon -- but none was recovered at the scene.

So, maybe if Michael Nida had of let the Police detain him the first time he'd still be alive ! Cops have a right to protect themselves when the perp is acting

[girlyperks]

Herb, they had him in custody twice before killing him. Killing him with five shots, two in the back. Tell me they never checked him for a weapon the first to times they had him "in custody"? More than one officer was firing as well Herb.

Can't paint me bad here, simply because some of you choose to back the police at every turn, right, wrong or otherwise.

Edited by girlyperks, 30 April 2012 - 09:19 AM.

[Herb]

i'm still having a hard time figuring out why he would want to "escape" from the Police when all they were doing was detaining him because he fit the description of a perp ? Frankly , the Police seem to have exercised massive restraint by not putting him in cuffs after the first time he "fled" . Los Angeles is gang banger heaven , so maybe Mr. Nida should also have realized that he was dealing with a Police Force that faces weapons that are much more sophisticated then the ones they carry on an almost daily basis. There is more to this story then meets the eye for sure. As for mistakes being made in the law enforcement community I won't deny that. But you are trying to make it look like it's a daily occurance . It isn't and I don't know where it fits in with the local PD trying to take low lifes off the streets ? They seem to be doing very well at it. The only problem is there are a hell of a lot more of the enemy then there are Police Officers on the street at a given time. I'll take the cops over the criminals any time thank you .

[girlyperks]

Herb, I have no idea exactly went on with Mr. Nida, wasn't there. Just pointing it out that people don't always intend to kill someone, criminals and police alike.

As far Elmira Police goes, I have never had a problem with the local authorities. Never have been disrespected by them in any manner and have had only a occassion or two to even speak with one of the local officers (turning in drugs found while walking being one occassion, the break in was in GA, not NY).

What did Nida have to do with that recent court shooting? Nothing, just like the preacher that was shot while laying in bed here has nothing to do with the recent shooting, just conversation in a gerneralized manner.

There are criminals on the street and in blue, Herb. Hard to tell these days who are the real enemies often enough. A lot of trust has been lost in government period, not just in not trusting law enforcement in the USA. Today, its more fitting to ask, "who can you trust"? Few Herb, few can be trusted today.

[MattfromHH]

I think the trick is to understand that all people fill all roles at one time or another in their lives, no? The drug dealer is not a bad person his entire life, nor the LEO an angel theirs.

That I understand, but if we all fill all roles, we all should face the same judgement when in the wrong.

A less equal animal is condemned for non-cooperation, while a more equal animal is excused for the same behavior. As long as the less equal animal can percieve this, they will have justification for the choices they make.

If society is truly interested in improving the morality of the less equal animals , how about starting with the morals of the more equal animals. We could call it trickle down morality. Of course, I have little hope for the idea as I can't find a reason the more equal animals would be willing to scrap the current system that absolves them of responsibity for their behavior.